Professor Paul Jose is a developmental, cross-cultural and political psychologist currently working at Victoria University of Wellington. He is the first psychologist to develop a thorough measurement of the concept of wokeness and joins us to define what wokeism is, where people in political discourse go wrong, why it is so polarizing and what are the results of his initial research on participants from USA and Aotearoa New Zealand.

Apologies for the audio quality on this episode.  Our computer shut itself down so we had to use the back up file recorded on the voice recorder on Sahir's phone (blame him for not having a good phone). Incredible salvage job by our producer Alex. 

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